- Don't Pass Craps Strategy
- How To Play Don't Pass Craps
- Don't Pass Craps
- Craps Dark Side Strategies
- Don't Pass Line
The single dissimilarity is that players can take odds not on the Pass Line bet but the Come Bet. Don’t Pass Line Bet. As the name indicates, this bet is contrary to the Pass Line one, meaning that the player loses if the dice reach 7 or 11, and the player wins in case the roll is 2 or 2. The rules for craps stipulate that rolling 12 means the player has a tie with the casino. (If you have a bankroll large enough to make don't come bets, begin with 2x or 3x odds, rather than 1x odds.) After any point is made (won), start over at line 1. To minimize losses to a run of winning points, either (1) switch to the pass line, playing your favorite pass line method, (2) do not lay odds on the don't pass line bet, or (3) stop betting on the shooter until he/she sevens-out. Never hedge your bets. So my advice is to stick to just the don’t pass and laying odds. Yes, you’ll lose some on the come out roll. However if you don’t lose on the come out roll the don’t pass bet will usually win. Here are the 10 commandments of craps: 7.Thou shalt not hedge thy bets. Don’t Pass bets are one of the highest odds bets in craps. Once a point is established, the odds are in favor of the Don’t Pass bets over bets on the Pass Line. No matter which point is established, it is more likely that a 7 will be rolled before the number which is “ON”.
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Professor H's Don't Pass Strategy Professor H's method of play on the don't is intended to accomplish two things: (1) playing time, and (2) occasional comparatively large wins. Lay odds progressively, increasing the don't pass line bet only after reaching the maximum table odds.
100xOdds
(besides the slight math advantage of DP over pass)I'm switching to the darkside.
when I play Pass and get on a hot roll, I press about 40% of my winnings.
after the roll is over, there goes 40% of my profits. (and the casino just recovered some of their $ back.)
and it's stupid to take down your bets in the middle of the shooter's roll and just leave the Pass/Come flat bets there.
THe way I play Don't Pass is 1 big bet equivalent to the $ risked using 3point Betty strategy in Pass.
ie: $10min, 3/4/5x odds
with 3point Betty, I have an avg of $150 on the table
with Don't Pass, I have $20 DP/120 odds.
yeah, I know. set a win limit. once you hit that limit, have the discipline to yell 'OFF' while playing Pass/Come on a hot roll.
I did that.
but it SUCKS when the shooter keeps on making #'s while i'm waiting for a '7' to kill my flat bets. (he made at least 6+ more #s.)
even tho I made my win limit, I didn't have that much fun.
Thus it has turned me to the Darkside.
Don't Pass Craps Strategy
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
darthvader
Welcome to the darkside. It's a small, but exclusive club. Just remember that winning on the darkside is a grind. And you must have the discipline to limit your losses against a hot shooter.Darth
7-out, line away, pay the don't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esEcwAWi6dk
odiousgambit
(besides the slight math advantage of DP over pass)
I'm switching to the darkside.
when I play Pass and get on a hot roll, I press about 40% of my winnings.
after the roll is over, there goes 40% of my profits. (and the casino just recovered some of their $ back.)
I'm switching to the darkside.
when I play Pass and get on a hot roll, I press about 40% of my winnings.
after the roll is over, there goes 40% of my profits. (and the casino just recovered some of their $ back.)
Recently I did well with darkside betting by limiting my action the same as rightside, where I only want two numbers to resolve at once normally.
Previously, if I built up numbers to resolve on the darkside, I was thinking 'hey this has to be good, odds on my side, pile em up'. It's clear to me now, though, that it is still too much in action, I was getting burned.
Do that and you should be alright.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. .. Arnold Snyder
dicesitter
Darkside
Sally has about the best option foir darkside wins. Avoid the come out crap and lay against
the point. You have a 59-41 advantage. However i would not lay the 4 or 10 because you
only get half of your lay.. that more than offsets the 59-41 advantage.
dicesetter
Sally has about the best option foir darkside wins. Avoid the come out crap and lay against
the point. You have a 59-41 advantage. However i would not lay the 4 or 10 because you
only get half of your lay.. that more than offsets the 59-41 advantage.
dicesetter
100xOdds
Darkside
Sally has about the best option foir darkside wins. Avoid the come out crap and lay against
the point. You have a 59-41 advantage. However i would not lay the 4 or 10 because you
only get half of your lay.. that more than offsets the 59-41 advantage.
dicesetter
Sally has about the best option foir darkside wins. Avoid the come out crap and lay against
the point. You have a 59-41 advantage. However i would not lay the 4 or 10 because you
only get half of your lay.. that more than offsets the 59-41 advantage.
dicesetter
huh?
don't pass has a lower house edge.
~.3% vs 2.44% for Laying the 4/10 (higher HE for 5/9 and 6/8)
you're bucking the math?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
odiousgambit
actually I think you have to watch Sally, she says things just to get you going [esp males]the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. .. Arnold Snyder
mustangsally
actually I think you have to watch Sally, she says things just to get you going [esp males]
not all craps games offered in every casino in the world uses dice. many here in CA use cards, and that offers +EV for those that like +EVI do not get male shooters going..
I just ask them if they are going to 7out before hitting their point, right after they establish their point
they get themselves going (and my bankroll going up)
and, imo, it is not at all difficult to win your Lay bets way more than a one time probability says
I say it is real easy (but I do understand males will not understand this, and that is OK too)
but from a book I have not read but looked at in Google Books
The Complete Idiot's Guide to Gambling Like a Pro
By Stanford Wong, Susan Spector
Craps (with 2 dice and I figure NO cards) is under the chance and skill heading
here
S Wong says ..
'knowing HOW and WHEN to place your bets is a workable skill'..
for me (Idiot)
In my opinion, I believe too
I mean
The Complete Idiot's Guide to Gambling Like a Pro
Sally
I Heart Vi Hart
mds
Welcome to the darkside. It's a small, but exclusive club. Just remember that winning on the darkside is a grind. And you must have the discipline to limit your losses against a hot shooter.
Darth
Darth
Darkside for 3 years and one month. Have won 26 out of 35 trips. I know, pure luck but better to be lucky VS depleted bankroll! I also know about 'THE LONG RUN'..
How To Play Don't Pass Craps
For me, (Doey/Don't) Don't pass w/full odds. (Almost always full odds at least) No high fives just low fives with my friends after a win. The way I play the math says I should lose 1000 an hour or more. The dice haven't listened to the math yet.
There was one time I was down, so just before my flight I went to down to the table at Encore and watched for a few minutes saw a lady make a point then another one so I said why not. Put 25 on the pass with full odds (Which is about 1000 less than my usual bet on the don't) 320 across. 40 min later walked with 7k. Left at least 2k on the table. Dammit!
What gets me is all the other 10 players won but with 500, 1000, 1500 and another guy 2000 and the others with between 300 and 800. why don't players try to maximize these rolls? There were a few players just putting money on the pass with odds? There were probably 100 numbers rolled. Yes, a win is a win I know but sheeesh.
So in conclusion, you really never know but darkside IS the way to go if you are playing a game like craps. Barring any unforeseen situation like a 40 min roll of course. Hate having a good shooter roll 6 or 8 numbers and leaving all your money on the table when the 7 comes up.
RogerKint
Dark side is the way. My most recent craps session was on an empty table. I put my matchplay coupon on the don't pass, rolled aces, took my money and chirped out. I was so super stoked on myself. The best dice control is not picking them up.
dicesitter
Mustangally
I still think your method of playing the dont is a good way.
Now having said that, i think we need to play sometime... we each take the same amount of starting money
and as i throw you can lay against any point i attempt to make, i will do the same for you and we will see
who has the most money at the end.
that would be fun
The next best thing is just take money from the casino, that is not bad either.
Dicesetter
I still think your method of playing the dont is a good way.
Now having said that, i think we need to play sometime... we each take the same amount of starting money
and as i throw you can lay against any point i attempt to make, i will do the same for you and we will see
who has the most money at the end.
that would be fun
The next best thing is just take money from the casino, that is not bad either.
Dicesetter
THE DARK SIDE
What is the dark side of craps? It’s not some evil plot by the casino, although it may feel like it when the dice are cold.
The dark side refers to a family of bets which have the opposite win-loss conditions of the pass types bets. It can also be an adjective that describes players who bet on the Don’t Pass or Don’t Come.
It’s actually called the dark side for a very simple reason. The betting area for the Don’t Pass or Don’t Come bet is usually written, on the felt, in darker lettering then the Pass or Come bet. It’s written in darker lettering so that players do not confuse the bets, ensuring that a dark side bettor knows that he or she is betting on the ‘Don’t Pass’ or ‘Don’t Come’.
TERMS USED
The term ‘dark side’ is craps parlance which is a catch-all for the Don’t Pass bet, Don’t Pass odds bets, Don’t Come bet, Don’t Come odds bet, Place-to-Lose bets, Lay Against buy bets, Don’t Pass bettor, and Don’t Come bettor.
In a casino, most of the time, you will hear a dark side action referred to simply as ‘Don’t’, which is another catch-all term. Golden nuggets nj.
The letters ‘DC’, which is probably the most commonly spoken dark side term at a craps table, refers specifically to the ‘Don’t Come’ bet. This term is not a catch-all term.
So if you want to make a last minute Don’t bet, and you want to avoid sticking your hand in the throwing area, say, for example, ‘$10 DC’ for the Don’t Come; or ‘$10 Don’t’ for the Don’t Pass (I’ve never heard of the Don’t Pass referred to as the ‘DP’ in a live game). If you want to bet an amount other than $10, just state the amount.
When in doubt as to what to call your bet, just say the amount and then the word, ‘Don’t’. For example, if the puck is OFF and no point has been established, and you say ‘$10 DC’, the dealer will clarify your bet or perhaps ‘no bet’ you. The Don’t Come is not in play at that moment, so saying ‘$10 DC’ may be construed as a nonsensical bet. Most dealers will understand what you meant to bet, correct you, and say, ‘$10 don’t pass’. But if you run into a rookie dealer, don’t be surprised if the response is either a look of confusion or ‘no bet’.
WIN-LOSS CONDITIONS OF THE DARK SIDE
In a pass line bet, the bettor will win on a come out roll of 7 or 11, lose on a come out 2,3 or 12, and must repeat the point numbers (4,5,6,8,9,10) before the 7 in order to win. The pass line bettor will lose if the 7 rolls before a point if there is a point established.
If a player bets the opposite of the pass bet, then the player assumes the opposite conditions that I described for the pass line. On a dark side come out roll, the dark side bettor will win on a 2 or 3 and lose on a 7 or 11. The player will push/tie on a 12 (this push is how the house retains the advantage on the bettor). If the dark side bettor establishes a point, then the dark side bettor will win if the 7 rolls before the point. That’s nearly the exact opposite of the pass line bettor, barring the 12 on the come out.
LAYING ODDS ON THE DARK SIDE
The vast majority of players are pass line, or ‘right side’ bettors. Betonline poker scam. One of the reasons why players do not like the dark side is because the odds bet requires players to lay odds for the house. This means that all payouts on the pass line are reversed. Players who bet on the dark side must bet the following to win the following:
Point is 4 or 10, the player must wager $2 to win $1. For example, a $100 lay on the point 4 or 10 will win $50.
Point is 5 or 9, the player must lay $3 to win $2. For example, a $75 lay on the point of 5 or 9 will win $50.
Point is 6 or 8, the player must lay $6 to win 5. For example, a $60 lay on the point of 6 or 8 will pay $50.
If you notice, it is the exact opposite of the odds payouts offered on the pass line odds.
HOUSE EDGE ON THE DON’T PASS AND DON’T COME
The house edge on the Don’t Pass and Don’t Come is 1.36% of the bet. So if you bet $100 worth of action on the Don’t Pass or Don’t Come, you can expect to lose $1.36 over the long run.
With odds, the house edge on the combined bet falls significantly. At 10x odds, the house edge on the combined bet falls to .12% of total action.
Many players hate the fact that laying odds requires a larger wager than the collected win, and thus try to bypass the perceived inequity by making a larger come out wager. If the player can survive the come out wager, the player will then possess a significant advantage over the house. If the dark side player can survive the come out roll, the player will have an advantage of 2-1, 3-2, or 6-5. However, the problem is that on the come out roll, the player is at a severe and stomach-churning disadvantage. On the come out roll the player is at an 8-3 disadvantage, with only 3 ways to win and 8 ways to lose.
On a combinatorial analysis, with all possibilities calculated, is it far better, over the long run, for the player to separate his total bet into a minimum Don’t Pass or Don’t Come bet and wager the rest by laying odds. This means that if you have $50, you are better off betting $5 (if that’s the minimum) on the Don’t Pass or Don’t Come and putting the remains $45 on laying the odds; rather than putting the entire $50 on the Don’t Pass or Don’t Come.
SHOOTING FROM THE DON’T
Players often ask if a shooter may ‘bet against himself’ and shoot from the dark side. The answer is yes. A player may shoot from the dark side. When a player elects to shoot from the dark side (which doesn’t happen often), the stick person will usually announce, as a matter of custom, ‘shooting from the don’t’.
PICKING UP THE DARK SIDE DON’T PASS OR DON’T COME BET
Unlike the pass line or come bet, the player may pick up his Don’t Pass or Don’t Come bet after the point has rolled. The reason the casino allows the withdrawal of the Don’t bet is that after the come out roll, the player is now at an advantage over the house. Thus, the player should never pick up his Don’t Pass or Don’t Come bet after the come out roll.
Of course, having the advantage is not the same as actually winning, which leads us to…
MATHEMATICALLY EXPENSIVE STRATEGIES COMMONLY EMPLOYED
Don't Pass Craps
There are two common strategies often employed by dark side bettors that are expensive in the long run: ensuring the dark side bet with ‘any 7’ and picking up the Don’t Come or Don’t Pass if the point is 6 or 8.
It’s a fact that combining bets will not turn a negative expectation bet into a positive expectation bet. In other words, the player is not protecting his bets, over the long run, by combining bets; despite appearances of the bets being ‘insured’. By combining a low house edge bet (the Don’t Come or Don’t Pass bet) with a high house edge bet (the Any 7), the player is only increasing his total loss and would have been better of not betting the Any 7.
As to the strategy of picking up on a 6 or 8, the player is giving up a 6 to 5 advantage over the house. Of all the bad dark side strategies, this strategy is the most difficult to explain to dark side players. It seems to be way too easy to roll a 6 or 8, so many dark side bettors will fear to continue the bet. Mathematically, this is a disastrous strategy in the long run, because the player has a 6-5 edge over the house on a point of 6 or 8.
Rather than trying to use math to try and convince dark side players not to pick up on the point of 6 or 8, I explain it this way, ‘if the point is 6, you get a free roll on the house if either of the dice shows a 6’; alternatively, if ‘the point is 8, then your free roll is either dice show a 1’. Why would you ever give up a free roll?
For those who aren’t aware, a free roll is a situation or bet where the bettor can only win and cannot lose.
Generally, I’m not a fan of the argument, ‘if the house offers it, it must be a bad bet’; however, in this case, the house is only offering the ability to withdraw the bet because withdrawing heavily favors the house. So, the house is only offering it because it’s a bad bet.
Craps Dark Side Strategies
WARNING ABOUT THE DARKSIDE
It’s a simple warning: betting on the dark side can be a lonely and sometimes hostile experience because most players are pass line bettors. If the table wins, the dark side bettor loses; and if the dark side bettor wins, the table loses. Sometimes, if there is a table bully, some nasty words may be said towards the dark side bettor.
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